Showing posts with label Austrian Economists. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Austrian Economists. Show all posts

September 19, 2014

Molyneux's Debate Technique



In the video above Stefan Molyneux tries to win a debate by deciding what a valid argument is and what isn't, which basically amounts up to him being right and the other person being wrong. Others have noticed his debating techniques as well and complied a list 7 years ago that is valid till this day. Here are some points.

1. Tangents;
When you ask Stef a question (in a verbal debate), he has the habit of very briefly and unsatisfactorily responding to it and then going off on a tangent for two minutes possibly in the hope that neither his discussion partner nor the audience will return to his unsatisfactory answer to his question and instead reply to the last thing he said (the tangent).

2. Misrepresentation;
Stef will misrepresent positions:
1. Create straw men and attack them
2. Say something like ‘but isn’t one plus one two?’ (in other words, put forward something that is both completely true and uncontroversial and completely irrelevant) so that there seems to be agreement when in fact there is not.

3. Cherry picking and ignoring questions;
Very often Stef does not even try to create the impression that he has answered your questions and will just downright ignore them.

4. Confusing quantity with quality;
When you call Stef on his not having answered your questions he tends to say something like ‘I participated in several threads on this topic, did 3 podcasts and had 2 personal conversations with listeners so don’t tell me that I haven’t engaged in the debate.' He sure has engaged in debate but he has not actually addressed let alone answered your most important arguments.

5. Psychologizing;
Stef wont address your arguments but instead try to steer the discussion toward your psychological state (that may account for your position in his eyes).

6. Ridiculing & Bullying;
While psychologizing, when applied wrongly, is already a form of bullying, there is also more obvious bullying going on on the board, like when Stef makes fun of other posters.

The video above falls under point 15.

15. Ending the debate;
Usually, in large part thanks to Stef's evasiveness, debates don't go very well, the core problem is not being discussed explicitly and instead there's a circling around that problem, with points being revisited and revisited.
The clever thing that Stef then does is take the initiative to end the debate, by for example sighing or just saying something like "okay, I don't think we're not moving forward anymore, so I'm gonna stop' or 'this has been a merry-go-round and I'm getting off now' or something like that. So he identifies what has been happening in the debate and then says that therefore it's time to stop. By so taking the initiative (especially if he accompanies it with a sigh or some other mild form of contempt) he can make it seem (to the audience and even in some cases to his discussion partner) as if the cause of the fruitlessness of the debate was his discussion partner (who kept going around in circles, who just wouldnt accept some point, whatever), not him.

Before you debate Stefan Molyneux it's probably a good idea to familiarize yourself with his debating techniques because in my opinion he's a pathological narcissist who convinced himself he's some great philosopher who simply can't be wrong and he'll put you through the wringer to maintain that public perception.

Peter Joseph found out as well. See video below.

January 18, 2014

Cultish Molyneux



Check out the bizarre behavior Stefan Molyneux displays in this video. Even mainstream media have detected the cultish influencing of teenage kids by Molyneux. Watch out for this guy!

December 30, 2013

Splitting Molyneux



Yesterday I was again dumbfounded watching a video made by Stefan Molyneux. I can't help feeling that there is something very wrong with this person. He made one of his "the truth about" videos which could easily also be replaced by the title "the trash about" because what again followed next was a total trashing of the person in question. Since Stefan Molyneux does that quite frequently I'm wondering, and I'm by no means alone in this regard, if there is something pathological about this self acclaimed philosopher.

In this video Molyneux starts with asking for donations which should make it somewhat obvious that he's also running a business. Personally, I find it somewhat flabbergasting why someone would donate money to him. That aside. Next he warns about hero worshipping which is a little ironic coming from a guy who quite clearly wants a fan base. He remarks that he gets 3 million views a month on his channel and that a 50 cent donation per show is a fair price. People viewing him as an expert of some sorts is advantageous for his business endeavors. Still, you really shouldn't hero worship.

Then he aims his sights at Mahatma Gandhi. Supposedly others asked to do a review of him which apparently Molyneux is happy to oblige. Gandhi is of course largely viewed positively as a father of a nation. A revolutionary pacifist who preached non violence. He's viewed as a spiritual man, as an icon. Stefan Molyneux however, manages to produce the exact opposite which is quite fascinating for analyzing his character. The switch to a highly negative conclusion, the search for negative associations in order to trash and smear speaks volumes about Molyneux himself.

Around the 9 minute mark Molyneux delivers his first blow. The intro revolves around Gandhi's personal life and how he preached abstinence yet then he remarks that Gandhi had (sexual) relationships with under aged women more or less framing him as a pedophile and hypocrite. I have no idea what his source is since mainstream media such as Wikipedia doesn't mention this. The character assassination however has commenced.

Around 15 minutes in Molyneux turns to history. Before the British colonized India the country had fallen to slave economics, more or less softening the dictatorial rule of the British who brought a higher standard of civilization. He mentions that in a nation of millions there were only 70.000 British troops at any given time and that many Indians collaborated. I find this fascinating since Molyneux insinuates that if the Indians would have formed a cohesive rebellion and expelled the British by their sheer numbers they could have done so easily. Yet when Nelson Mandela picked up arms and started a rebellion in his own country against the racist apartheid regime Molyneux labels him as a terrorist. This clearly shows the hypocrisy of Molyneux, the premeditation and setting the standard where it suits you.

23:45, Gandhi was a racist. When a young Gandhi was in the British colonial army in South Africa apparently he spoke in derogatory fashion about the Zulu people in South Africa which is a bit peculiar since Indian people also have a darker skin tone if I'm not mistaken. Again Molyneux doesn't list a source and this isn't a mainstream fact. A Google search doesn't reveal any scholarly sources. There is a book written by a G.B. Singh who makes these allegations but who turns out not to be a Hindu but a Sikh. Is there political and religious rivalry here?
34:45 Gandhi is a murderer of Zulu's. This is what Molyneux claims. The British Army clashed with the South Africans and people died. I have no doubt people died during violent conflicts in South Africa but does that prove Gandhi is a murderer? Molyneux himself quickly backs down and states next that Gandhi participated in those military actions which reveals that he has no evidence that Gandhi pulled the trigger himself as a soldier. Yet he doesn't retract the murder allegation in full.

Then 37:35. He states: 'Gandhi was no philosopher.' Then another follow up of character assassination: 'Gandhi was a witch doctor with regards to science.' Well, Gandhi never took up studies in science and as a Hindu he would have been brought up in that religion. An American or European would most likely be brought up as a Christian in that time period. Enormous shortsightedness on the part of Molyneux. Again there's also a great deal of hypocrisy involved here because if you would emphasize using science and technology in full for the betterment of humanity Molyneux would categorize that as 'Marxism with robots.'
Finally at the 38:25 mark Molyneux mentions that Gandhi allowed his wife to die by refusing to administer penicillin. This is actually the only example he lists that is documented to some degree although the article also mentions that his wife said that 'it was her time go.' Was there one last request on the part of his wife? I don't know the exact circumstances of her death, does Molyneux?


What this video amounts up to is just a deliberate methodology of character assassination and this isn't the only one by far. If you visit Stefan Molyneux's YouTube channel you'll find many videos with the title 'the truth about .....' and what follows next is a highly critical, one sided examination and ultimately condemnation of the person the video deals with. What basically happens here? Molyneux shows no reluctance of accepting the title of philosopher but is he really worthy of such a distinction? What really happens here is that Molyneux elevates himself as some sort of philosopher by trashing and downgrading others. That isn't the hallmark of a philosopher, that's the hallmark of a pathological narcissist.

What is a narcissist? (From Wikipedia.) Some people diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder are characterized by unwarranted feelings of self-importance. They have a sense of entitlement and demonstrate grandiosity in their beliefs and behavior. They have a strong need for admiration, but lack feelings of empathy.
Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR include;
* Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments.
* Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others.
* Envies others and believes others envy him/her.
* Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence.
* Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others.
* Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior.
* Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic.

At first glance, does Stefan Molyneux begin to qualify for said features? Well, yes! Look at a number of his videos or podcasts. He's no where near the level of Gandhi or Mandela but he downgrades them like if they were punk kids in his neighborhood. Molyneux never led nationwide rebellions against oppressors yet the air of authority he ventilates suggests he is of a higher category. He was never a member of a people that had to deal with colonist overlords yet he pretends that these same people who sought freedom and respect for their basic human rights could have done so without any form of violence and if you're very close to achieving such a thing as Gandhi did then he still manages to put you away as a common criminal. What Molyneux does isn't normal. It's pathological.

I'm not the first to notice this by far. Others such as the website FDRLiberated.com have detected the absolute condemnations as well. One dominant feature of a narcissist is called "splitting" in psychology. It's an all or nothing type of thinking. An individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground. This is basically what Molyneux does. Remember, he makes Gandhi and Mandela as 'all bad.' In the final analysis there's no middle ground. His views on economics follow an identical path. Molyneux is a libertarian, he thinks the government is force and coercion while the free market is voluntary and beneficial to all. Again no middle ground.

I'm no psychologist. I'm not qualified to make a professional judgement regarding the mind and mentality of Stefan Molyneux. I do hold the opinion that he's a pathological narcissist. Seeing that Molyneux has a huge fan base and that he basically makes a living of donations from his fans maybe we can work something out. If Molyneux puts up a donate button to be evaluated by a registered clinical psychologist I would be happy to donate. You know, splitting the difference...





December 15, 2013

Stefan Molyneux: Narcissist?



This sunday morning I was again dumbfounded by a video Stefan Molyneux put up on his YouTube channel. Actor Paul Walker who died a couple of weeks ago in a horrific car accident got a kind of eulogy by the aforementioned person. While it may seem natural that some people comment on Paul Walker's passing and within that framework I of course mean his family, friends and colleagues who worked with him oddly enough Molyneux nowhere near belongs in that category. So why does he has the urge to comment on Paul Walker's life?

It gets even more absurd. While the first 4 minutes in the video above are focused on praising Paul Walker's accomplishments as a human being and have a sense of spirituality combined with the warning of the temptations that making a lot of money can bring to a person (which is ironic since Molyneux is a free market fundamentalist) Stefan remarks at 4:36 in the video: "don't mean to dump on the dead," but this is exactly what he does next. What follows next is really a type of condemnation. Molyneux has to mention that Paul Walker dated not one but two 16 year old girls as an adult. More or less condemning him of pedophilia.

Why this sudden change in direction? Why make such remarks at this time when Paul Walker's family and friends are still grieving? Why would Stefan Molyneux do such a thing? Actually, this isn't an isolated incident. After Nelson Mandela's passing he felt the same urge to make a video critique which I personally responded to in this blog. On the day of this writing Nelson Mandela was laid to rest but again that didn't stop Molyneux to make scathing comments and condemn Mandela as a communist and terrorist.

Personally, I was raised not to speak ill about the recently departed. That has a deeper meaning. You give the people who mourn time to heal and regain their composure in life. Apparently such notions are completely lost on a 47 year old male whose real objective is seemingly to gather more attention to himself. If you ask me I would categorize that as pathological. Why else would Stefan Molyneux make 'eulogy' videos as an outsider that basically lack any empathy for those that deeply cared for the person? Isn't that just narcissism?


December 12, 2013

The Truth About Stefan Molyneux



The truth about Stefan Molyneux is that he is a right wing market extremist and a borderline psychopath. Thought I'd give you my conclusion in the very first sentence. Last week Nelson Mandela passed away and within days Molyneux came out with the video above. It's filled with condemnation of Mandela's life. A typical right wing smear tactic is to start about anything left wing or progressive and immediately associate it with a death toll. Stefan here does no different. Right of the bat he mentions that Nelson Mandela was a communist and a terrorist. I was raised with an understanding that it's not polite to speak ill of the recently departed. Apparently Molyneux has no such reservations which speaks volumes about his character.

Lets examine some of the claims Molyneux makes. Did Mandela take up violence? Yes. Was he associated with a communist group? Yes. It's all very well documented. Nelson Mandela took up arms after the Sharpeville Massacre. The only political movement willing to assist was, yes, left wing. Not so strange actually since the white South African government was of course right wing and conservative in the early 1960s. What were his options at the time? Could Mandela have joined the right wing apartheid regime and have his human rights respected by being a good capitalist and obedient black man? Would the racist government officials have said: 'we will give you a pass Mandela?' Of course such finer details are completely lost on Molyneux.

Let me rant on. While non-violent resistance is of course recommended and should be employed first is it totally outlandish to think that the South African black man was also entitled to self defense? I mean, they were regarded as second rate human beings and when they protested a bunch of them were killed in their own land. Aren't they entitled to defend their lives? Let me present another theoretical scenario. If in the United States some rampant group of African Americans or Latinos goes on a killing spree and murder dozens of white people, how long do you think it will take for the white people to take up arms and defend themselves? How long would it take for the bullets to start flying? With some 300 millions firearms privately owned in the U.S. a violent reaction would only be a matter of time. Yet when a South African black man resists Molyneux here quickly labels them as terrorist.

As mentioned previously, generalize and lumping everything together is favorite right wing smear tactic. Molyneux also makes the connection between Nazi Germany and socialism, probably to boost up the 'left body count.' I've seen others do it too while most scholars of course agree that the National Socialists during World War 2 were in fact right wing fascists. It's difficult to understand for some but a group can label themselves as something but in reality be far from that description. You can have 1 or 2 elements of socialism while the other 8-9 out of 10 are not. Fascism is described as the merging of state and corporations with a national identity. Even Hitler was supported by an industrial elite. The biggest give away? If Nazi Germany was left wing and socialist, why would they fight with left wing Soviet Union? Again, such things are completely lost on Stefan Molyneux.

Did people die in the Soviet Union? Yes, nobody is disputing that. Lenin and Stalin were dictators who   quickly perverted the higher ideals of Marx. Not so strange since both men were robbing banks even before they got into power. Do criminals make good politicians? Generally they don't. Mao and Pol Pot were also probably full blown psychopaths, but did all left wing governments produce immense death tolls? No, far from it. In western Europe many left wing parties have taken up positions in government while never regressing in to dictatorships. In South America the people in Venezuela and Ecuador democratically re-elected their socialist leaders. Things are not black and white.
But wait. Did right wing political groups kill people? Were there right wing dictatorships in history that eliminated their opposition through violence and murder? Yes... Pinochet comes to mind. Videla of Argentina. Noriega of Panama until he stopped playing ball with the U.S. The Contras in Nicaragua. The Shah of Iran who was installed after a right wing C.I.A. sponsored coup when democratically elected social-democrat Mossaddegh was overthrown. Molyneux doesn't even remotely contemplate such matters because that doesn't help his right wing cause.

How was the U.S. and Canada, home of Molyneux, founded? Basically all the land was stolen from their original owners, the Native Americans. In 1890 they did a headcount, only 250.000 Native Americans remained where once millions roamed across the continent. Most of them killed by disease and bullets. How about the African slaves that help build the U.S? Does Molyneux keep a body count there in those cases? No he doesn't.

People like Stefan Molyneux are basically con artists. They reason and pick those things that work in their favor and basically ignore or deny those things that don't help their self interest. Molyneux is an advocate of the Austrian school of economics and Libertarianism. Basically they are conservatives on meth and steroids who mindlessly blame the state for any failings of free market capitalism. So when atrocities are committed by right wing governments they just blame the construct of a state and pretend that their free market which is still based on money and profit will magically create a peaceful society. Pure bullshit. When the bottom line is money and profit you'll always have people bending or breaking the rules. People like Stefan Molyneux want to hand over democracy to private unaccountable dictators in the market place just because they want to make more money. Human needs and human rights, did Stefan Molyneux make a case for that in the video? Did Nelson Mandela in his life?

Stefan Molyneux - Reductionist Snake Oil Salesman



Watch closely how market fundamentalist Stefan Molyneux reasons and how he generalizes small economic textbook examples to the real world. Trade is voluntary but if you don't want to trade you can go live in the woods according to this great 'philosopher.' What's also hilarious is that Molyneux turns into a drama queen after Peter Joseph labels his ideas as truncated and simplistic and claims he engaged in an ad hominem attack. Molyneux himself had no problem labeling Peter's work as 'retarded,' 'for bong smoking hippies' and 'marxism with robots' in previous videos. All ad hominem attacks. It shows what kind of disingenuous con artist Molyneux really is.

December 11, 2013

Stefan Molyneux: Con Artist Or Pathological Bullshitter?



After seeing Stefan Molyneux's latest hatchet job on Nelson Mandela I think it's time that this borderline psychopath gets more attention in the blogosphere. Watch this video by Peter Joseph which is a culmination after a debate he had with Molyneux. The latter just about manages to twist, distort, smear the other person's position in every way possible. So the question arises, is Stefan Molyneux a deliberate con artist or pathological bullshitter? My take is that he's both.

April 20, 2013

A Realistic Look At The Economic Calculation Problem


A realistic look at the economic calculation problem.
By Neil Kiernan

The economic calculation problem is at the core of debate between free market advocates and socialists. And because a Resource Based Economy suggests distribution of resources to people absent a price tag we find ourselves not only being labeled socialists, but the same arguments being leveled at us that are leveled at socialists. So we have the economic calculation debate. At it's core is the question:

“Will we be able to efficiently distribute resources absent the price mechanism?”

First lets get some background on the positions of the Austrian/Free Market school of thought and then talk about how this relates to our own arguments on the subject.

So how does the price mechanism supposedly function insofar as distributing resources?

The idea behind the price mechanism is that in in the market resources will be given a value by the market. This value would be calculated based on the cost of production which includes resources expended and labor. And then finally consumer demand. The theory is that if a producer of a given product charges too much for that item then no one will buy it. Hence forcing the producer to lower the cost. Competitive forces also play a part here as rival producers of a given product will vie for dominance in the market by offering competitive prices.

So breaking this down into an analogy:

Bob produces widgets. Bob calculates a price based on the cost of the resources that were used in making his widgets, including how much he had to pay his employees at the widget factory. He of course wants to make a profit so he charges a price that is above and beyond the costs involved in production. If he gets too greedy then people instead may buy a rival product that has a lower price.

So Mises and the other Austrian economists basically contend that this is the most efficient way to distribute resources. And in fact is the only way that would actually work. Lets get into why.

From Wikipedia:

Ludwig von Mises argued in a famous 1920 article "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth" that the pricing systems in socialist economies were necessarily deficient because if government owned or controlled the means of production, then no rational prices could be obtained for capital goods as they were merely internal transfers of goods in a socialist system and not "objects of exchange," unlike final goods. Therefore, they were unpriced and hence the system would be necessarily inefficient since the central planners would not know how to allocate the available resources efficiently. This led him to declare "...that rational economic activity is impossible in a socialist commonwealth."

And:

“Without money to facilitate easy comparisons, socialism lacks any way to compare different goods and services. Decisions made will therefore be largely arbitrary and without sufficient knowledge, often on the whim of bureaucrats.”

But what about the inefficiencies in the price system? Just how good of a job does it actually do when it comes to efficiently distributing resources? Lets take a look.

Mises suggests that no rational prices can be reached without a price system. But are rational prices actually reached within a price system? No. The reason? The entire price engine is driven by the profit motive. And profit by no means depends on rationality.

First of all, lets talk about advertising. Advertising has evolved over the years into what amounts to outright brainwashing. They specialize in ensuring that consumers have irrational desires for products that they do not even need. Or are even harmful to them! The work of Edward Bernays in assisting the cigarette companies in their quest to give women the irrational desire to smoke is an example I have frequently brought up on V-RADIO. Documentaries such as “Psywar” and “Consuming kids” really dig deep into the very dark reality of advertising and it's ability to target our minds in a way that causes us to feel “needs” for objects that have no rational purpose.

One such industry is the fashion industry. A never ending cycle of convincing people that unless they wear certain clothing, (and more specifically are willing to pay a higher price for it) they are worth less as a human being. The $3,000 hand bags mentioned in “Zeitgeist: Moving Forward” are just one of many absurd fashions that resources are devoted to. A company named Louis Vuitton will also be happy to sell you a shoulder bag for $8,000. A pair of sneakers for $1,000. Or a belt for $3,000! The price mechanism has attached to it elements of social stratification. This brings us back to the reason that Air Jordan shoes that were purchased at Foot Locker were somehow more valuable then those purchased at K-Mart. Solely because the person could afford to pay the price. It was therefore more fashionable.

The fashion issue goes beyond clothing. Accessories. Cars. Houses. Etc. The entire system is designed to tell people that the higher price paid the better. But we are not talking about the higher price paid meaning the better the product. We are talking about an industry that convinces people that the higher price someone paid the more value someone has as a person! Psychological and Sociological research is done by advertising firms to plug their products into our self esteem, our attractiveness to the opposite sex. And our status within society. If your carrying a $8,000 shoulder bag then it means you are superior on a fundamental level to the person carrying a $30 shoulder bag.

The price system is subject to corruption in other ways. Planned obsolescence and perceived obsolescence of goods is also built into this system to ensure that people are forever in stores moving inventory. Products are made to break down or to not be easily fixable intentionally for the sake of profit. The price to fix a given product is set in such a way to artificially make it more expensive to simply repair an item then it is to buy an entirely new item. The price system creates the motivation to do all of this contradictory to the ecological and environmental impact of such wanton production. Because it is a system for an economy with profit as the motivator producers of given products are encouraged to find as many ways to cut corners as much possible when it comes to ecological safety of their products. Products are made without recycling in mind because a product that is easy to take apart to be recycled is in many cases easy to repair. This would allow the consumer to simply repair their products rather then buying new ones.

The price system because it is based solely on the whims of consumers also permits the production of goods completely irrespective of the long term effects of using up given resources. The consumer at the counter of a store does not consider, nor are they encouraged to consider the long term implications of their purchases. What will buying all these plastic products do to the environment? What if this useless junk I am purchasing has resources in it that will be required for mankind's survival? What impact will the fact that I purchase a new I-Pod every year have on my grand children? Or their children? None of this is taken into account in the price system.

Because you want to be able to offer your goods at the lowest possible prices the price system also encourages worker exploitation. Wal-Mart's goods made in sweat shop factories can be offered at a far lower price then products produced locally. And the profit motivated price system will only serve to perpetuate this. Outsourcing to more and more desperate economies where people are willing to accept a lifestyle no better then conventional slavery.

Another example of corruption of the price model is when businesses collude to sell a vital product at an ever increasing price. Take the oil industry. The oil companies formed a cartel to cooperate on what the price of gasoline should be. They agreed to compete by no more then a few cents at the pump. The benefit of this is that profits in all of the oil companies collectively went up to record heights. It was to the benefit of everyone in the cartel to see this happen. And because gasoline is not an optional commodity they were able to get away with it. It was not as if the consumers could simply choose not to drive to work.

A further proof of the price mechanism's failure is that outside of the stores that sell these products there are often homeless people lying on the street. People who could feed themselves for MONTHS if they had even a quarter of the money spent on a single item purchased at the prices above. When it comes to a system of allocating resources the billions of people starving on this planet are a testament to the absolute failure of the market system to give any option to these people. There is no mechanism in the market or the price system that will distribute resources to these people despite the fact that technologically we could provide for them.

When attacking any centrally planned system, the Austrian economists point to examples such as the various instances of mass starvation supposedly created by centrally planned economies. They point to death camps and gulags as the inevitable solutions of failed centrally planned economies. That when scarcity exists we will be forced to somehow depopulate. Of course they leave out that a great deal of these death tolls were created by fascist regimes trying to stay in power. But they go on to heap praise on the market system with it's price based economies with an absence of death camps and gulags. They leave out of course that even in the free markets there would still be huge pockets of poor and starving people. The “death camps” of the market system are places like Africa. Where hundreds of thousands of people starve every day. The price system has no place for people who cannot find ways to be useful to people who have more. Basically, suggesting that centrally planned economies lead to starvation ignores the blatantly obvious truth that the market system does the exact same thing. But far more insidious is that the entire time people are inclined to think it is a fair system that is leaving all these people to die. And even encourages people to think that it is somehow their fault for dying. If they just worked a bit harder or started their own business they would be fine. They sell everyone the pipe dream that they too can be rich and famous if they just apply themselves. And this delusion helps everyone agree to be part of a system where 1% of the population has 40% of the wealth. And where statistics are greatly against people who are not part of that 1% ever becoming part of it.

It's ironic that the same incident of the rules suddenly changing in the book “Animal Farm” that was supposed to be a story about communism applies just as well to people living in a capitalist system.

“All animals are equal. But some animals are MORE equal then others...”

Mises and his disciples stated that centrally planned economies fail due to the fact that the resources would be distributed according to the “whims” of bureaucrats. And that apparently instead we should allow resources to be distributed according to the “whims” of consumers. Consumers who's “whims” are being controlled by a profit motivated system. If we were talking about a world of infinite resources this might work. But as was demonstrated earlier, the “whims” of consumers in a profit motivated world are not by any means rational. And the fact that there is anyone anywhere who on a whim will buy an $8,000 shoulder bag while people are starving outside of the store they purchased it in is testament that the price mechanism is not efficient at all. And that “rational” prices are not being achieved. There is nothing rational about an $8,000 hand bag. Period.

So lets look at the obstacles that Mises and Hayek suggest we will never be able to overcome.

The knowledge problem: Will we be able to effectively get the information we need as far as the needs of our consumers within a society? Mises seems to think that this is an insurmountable problem. That we will never be able to get enough information to be able to make rational decisions about what to produce. This like many other Austrian theories is obviously way out of date. Information technology is vastly superior to anything that Mises would of even conceived of in the 1920's when he said this would be impossible.

The other notion that is presented by Hayek is that people would have no incentive to share information they have. Which simply does not make any sense. Obviously in a resource based economy the incentive is we want to eat. We want shelter, clothing, etc. So we share that information so that the system works.

Another argument against Austrian economists from Wikipedia:

“It has also been claimed that the contention that finding a true economic equilibrium is not just hard but impossible for a central planner applies equally well to a market system; As any Universal Turing Machine can do what any other Turing machine can, a system of dispersed calculators (i.e. a market) has no in principle advantage over one central calculator.

Austrian economists emphasise that a central planner cannot have access to all the necessary information (including local conditions, know-how and changing individual preferences) to feed into such a central calculator.”

As I have already illustrated earlier the price mechanism has many failures and is far too open to corruption. So they were never operating from any sort of superior system to begin with. As pointed out above there is no special advantage to mankind operating as a mob of people making economic decisions based on whims. And the claims that any centrally planned economy would fail due to lack of information is based on a completely out of date idea as far as what information any central planner would have access to. 
The idea that desires are infinite or irrational:

This concept basically works on the assumption that people's desires are infinite and are not trackable or understandable. And this assumption is flawed. The needs of human beings are in fact calculable. And in fact once all of the noise that has polluted the “desires” of mankind is gone, (advertising, fashion, etc.) deciding what to produce will be far easier. The reason it is hard to calculate now is because mankind has an inflated idea of what it “needs” that is based largely on the conditioning we are given through advertising from the earliest ages. This entire industry of convincing people to consume things they do not need will vastly change the amount of resources expended. I have already felt this myself as my own consumption habits have changed once I became aware of the vast propaganda machine that was put in place to make people believe that the act of consumption in of itself was an expression of freedom. I watch now as people chain themselves to debt for endless amounts of junk that is designed to be sure to fail as soon as it is paid off. My entire perspective changed on what I buy and why. There is no reason the rest of mankind will not experience this as well. 

So what is different between what we suggest and other “centrally planned” economies? 
Well first of all, all of those systems advocated force or coercion to achieve their goals. Every one of those systems were run by people who did not understand the environmental impact on human behavior. They relied on laws, prisons, etc. to deal with the inevitable problems that arise from circumstances of scarcity. 

Secondly, and more importantly the points that Mises and Hayek used to point to failings in those systems do not apply to ours. There are no “whims” being used to decide the allocation of resources. All of those systems were microcosmic attempts at human opinion based central planning. As pointed out previously it was at the “whims” of bureaucrats. And no such whims will exist in our system that is based on the scientific method. Every citizen of the society would be acutely aware of the state of resources on our planet and the implications of their consumption. 

Thirdly, the technology available to us is vastly superior to what was available at the time that any of these monetary thinkers were contemplating their limitations. 

Even without the modern technology we have today this was achievable. In early 1970 the government of Chile asked a British operations research scientist named Stafford Beer to develop a system for tracking information all over the country for the purposes of a computer controlled economy. The system was highly advanced for it's time and did work. It was called Project Cybersyn. When I was doing research on it I was not surprised to see that several conservative bloggers have made really bogus reports as to it's success. But without fail people who were actually involved in the project came forward and refuted the nonsense that was being portrayed. Chile had decided to nationalize it's copper production. In typical “economic hitman” fashion the United States didn't like that very much and eventually went out of it's way to cause problems for the socialist Chilean government. The following is from one of the accounts of someone involved in the project: 

“Across Chile, with secret support from the CIA, conservative small businessmen went on strike. Food and fuel supplies threatened to run out. Then the government realised that Cybersyn offered a way of outflanking the strikers. The telexes could be used to obtain intelligence about where scarcities were worst, and where people were still working who could alleviate them.(ref Andy Beckett/Guardian)
The interconnected telex machines, exchanging 2,000 messages a day, were a potent instrument, enabling the government to identify and organize alternative transportation resources that kept the economy moving.”

Because of project Cybersyn, the Chilean government was able to keep their economy running using a fraction of the resources previously demanded. And the strike that was an attempt to get rid of the president who had the audacity to think that Chilean copper should be used for the people of Chile failed. 

I am hoping to get someone who was involved in this project on V-RADIO at some point. But suffice it to say, with some ancient telex machines they were able to keep their economy moving. And that technology is dwarfed by the capabilities of our information technology now. More complex versions of Project Cybersyn's style of cybernetic management are already being used by blue chip corporations all over the world to maintain their own infrastructures. 

In conclusion, it is important to remember that the Austrian school of economics and the opinions of Ludwig Von Mises are not infallible. They represent limitations that are set by men who have limitations in their understanding of the capabilities of technology. Those limitations are inherent in mankind as technology always manages to exceed our expectations. The Wright brothers were making flying machines while the intellectuals of the day were being paid to write books about why man would never fly. It is important to understand when your dealing with people who are advocates of this school to remind yourself that the Austrian school of economics is a fringe philosophy. It is not embraced by the majority of economists and is in fact rejected as a mainstream school of economics because of the attitude in the philosophy of throwing one's hands up in the air and letting everything just play out what way it may. “It won't work because Mises said so!” is not an argument anymore then continuing to quote the physics experts who said man would never fly would be a viable argument today. Something to consider when people are quoting Mises as if they are quoting something empirical and infallible:

"‎Mises wrote of his economic methodology that "its statements and propositions are not derived from experience... They are not subject to verification or falsification on the ground of experience and facts."

So in other words. He made it up. This is why Austrian theory is rejected by the mainstream.  

During my presentation during the Agora conference I used the analogy of a space ship. When a space ship is going on a prolonged trip there is no free market economy set up on board to determine how the resources on board will be used. They are calculated by scientists on the ground before the vessel ever gets underway. Though mankind lives on a really big spaceship we call earth, the more our population grows and the more our technological capability to impact our environmental conditions the “smaller” the earth effectively gets. In a situation of limited resources allowing the “whims” of anyone to determine resource allocation would not only be dangerous. They would be suicidal. And the danger of anyone “owning” those resources exclusive to themselves with a profit motive as a factor would be obvious. Nobody should have such power. You wouldn't let anyone own all the oxygen on a space ship you were on. The oxygen should be considered the common heritage of everyone on board.

In the end I have noticed a trend while debating these topics. People don't want to consider that they might not be free to buy whatever their hearts desire. The market system and it's price mechanism allow people to continue to look at resources as something that will always be at the store waiting for them. They see people like us pointing out these limitations and they project that we would want to enforce some limitations on them. They fail to see that no matter how free they believe they are if there are only six ounces of a given resource left on the earth they don't have the right to take seven. Not because we are going to force anything on them. But because there are only six ounces left. And if great care is not taken in the use of those limited resources nobody will have access to them.

Then there is the very real issue of the "Golden Billion" effect. A theory  that points to the fact that the "Western world" is consuming resources at a rate that far exceeds the rest of the world. It is through imperialism that we have maintained this circumstance of a few privileged countries gaining all of the benefits of civilization while we loot resources out of any country that might wish to use it's own resources to better itself and the standard of living of the people in it. In an article called: "A clash of civilizations: A possibility?"  by David Bryan he describes this issue:

"Under the once popular “golden billion” theory, people living in the economically advanced European nations, Japan and the United States enjoy in full measure the fruits of civilization at the expense of their less lucky brethren sweating elsewhere in the world. These days this “golden billion”, is being increasingly diluted by a steadily widening influx of migrants coming in from the Third World which means that we are now talking about a considerably larger number of “privileged” ones whose comfortable existence the rest of the world may no longer be will to ensure. Which may also mean that we are in for a new redrawing of the global map say, by China, which is working so hard to get rich and is already setting its sights on global leadership."

The people you see who are addicted to the lifestyle that they have brainwashed themselves into believing is "fair" are trying desperately to ignore the fact that we cannot hold on to 40% of the world's resources in the hands of a small percentage of the population forever. And we can only keep that hold through imperialism masked as "Making the world safe for democracy..." There are not enough resources for everyone on the planet to live the wasteful lifestyle of the average American. World wars have always been the means by which these struggles for dominance have been waged. From the Roman empire to WWII. And with technology getting more and more dangerous we are now looking at destruction on a scale never seen before.

Mankind has to rise above this idea that fighting for the position of dominance in the world economy is acceptable. We need to rise above the idea that any one nation should be better off then the majority of nations. The reality is that the lifestyles that we enjoy in the 1st world are not due to the magic of the market system. The entire system is upheld through imperialism. And the rest of the world is not going to put up with that forever. The market system spreading to such a global scale would either A. set the stage for an apocalyptic WWIII or B. drag the standard of living of everyone on the planet down. The market system hinges on the idea of equal opportunity. And there quite simply is no equal opportunity for the entire world to live the wasteful selfish lifestyle we do in the west. The resources do not exist for this to happen. But a society designed using the scientific method to come to rational values, strategic access of goods, and an egalitarian approach can provide a great lifestyle for everyone. 

The price mechanism is no more based on rationality then a bureaucracy arbitrarily deciding how resources should be expended. And neither the whims of bureaucrats in a centrally planned economy nor the whims of consumers in a price mechanism profit motivated economy are sufficient for adequately deciding how resources should be allocated on a planet with finite resources. We don't as a species have the freedom to use resources irrespective of what impact it will have on the earth we all live on. And that is why we must use the scientific method for social concern if we are going to survive.

February 9, 2013

Z-Lurkers


Earlier this week it daunted on me just how many people are monitoring comments on YouTube belonging to the Zeitgeist Movement. Persons from the Austrian School of Economics in particular seem to feel the strong inclination to make their ideology known and almost act like guardians of the free market. The screenshots here are just a selection from this week and many of these YouTube accounts are sock-puppets. They are empty channels created for the sake of trolling or arguing with other folks while revealing no personal information. What fear can do to people!






January 24, 2013

Is There Such A Thing As Morals In Capitalism?

While millions starve on this planet, banks like Goldman Sachs make millions speculating with food prices. Read the article here. Maybe criticism of Ludwig von Mises' "economic calculation problem" should have an addendum called "the moral calculation problem."

January 13, 2013

Where's The Next Sector?

Just last week I was having a talk with a supervisor in a supermarket about how money is debt and that in combination with technology and automation the (capitalistic) system can no longer hold. The talk originated because of the prices that went up here in Holland (taxes). One of many tax increases over the last few years. I remarked that the government is basically at a loss and can only suck money from the working class.

But then the topic of automation also came up. Reminiscing about my teenage years I pointed out that in the 1980s I often visited the local library and there were at least 5 women working there throughout the day. In the 1990s that changed dramatically. No longer did you hand your books over to a person. They had made machines for that which scanned barcodes. No longer were there many people there. Just 1 or 2.

Just this afternoon I came across an article in the Daily Mail that shows a restaurant operated by robots. Women who worked at libraries might have transferred to the service sector as waitresses but if this particular job is replaced by robots then where is the next sector?
Often I have had discussions on the internet with proponents of Chicago or Austrian Economics and I'm amazed at how stubborn they can be. They have this notion that the market will create jobs again and again, seemingly oblivious to the fact that with every new step in automation you lose jobs and working hours. Technology and automation will render capitalism obsolete. Time to face the facts...


October 5, 2012

Zeitgeist vs. Austrians - The (Un)Holy Market

Been a while since I brought up the mechanics between Austrian economists and those that support a resource based economy. Proceeding with matters that often come up with discussions between the two parties. One very peculiar matter, in my opinion, is that an Austrian economist will often say; 'This is not the free market.' Meaning the world that you see today is not an accurate reflection of what capitalism ought to be. It's understandable up to some point yet in a broader scope it's a philosophical act of sticking your head in the sand.

'This is not the free market' refers to government interference in the market place. Austrian economists blame the State for the shortcomings of the market. By regulating and protecting/privileging certain businesses an unfair market is created. This is also called 'crony capitalism' by a number of people. In essence Austrian economists are purists. They want no interference in the market place whatsoever and that the system itself creates an equilibrium over time. The assumption is also made that a pure free market works best and will provide for everyone (in various degrees).

While I can see that State interference in some sectors can be deemed unfair, from my perspective an arbiter is absolutely necessary. Lets not forget that the free market is a competition, a survival of the fittest. Letting a competition be fought out with no holds barred will come at a tremendous human cost, and honestly you can't expect everyone to behave and play according to the rules when the bottom line is money, commodities and profit. Corruption will creep in.

People will also have to submit to this system and while the word 'free' and 'freedom' is used quite often but you're only as free as your purchasing power will allow. Those dollar bills in your hand, that is freedom. And when you think about it, it is diametrically opposed to what those words really stand for. The more bills in your hand, the more freedom. Less or no bills, time to roll over and die because there wont be a State to help you out.

Austrian economists are also fond of using the word 'voluntarism' as if there are no controlling mechanisms. If you have no money, then you have to seek a job and acquire money that gives you access to the necessities of life. What's voluntary here? Can you go without money? No! You have to submit to the system. Money simply becomes another tool of control and enslavement yet this isn't in the Austrian lexicon.

While I don't want to see big government I realize that there must be regulation. Otherwise the market will implode under the weight of its own greed.  Lets not forget that a State is there for the wellbeing of its people. A corporation, which will be the dominant institution in a pure free market, is there to make a profit for its private owners. Yet lets take an honest, deep look at 'crony capitalism.'

Who influences the State? Who lobbies the State for favors? Right, corporations! So corporations try to influence matters and seek an advantage and what do Austrian economists do? They blame the State for handing out privileges and not the corrupt corporations who bribe the former! Yet in a pure free market this kind of corporate corruption wont happen? And they call Zeitgeisters utopianists! An Austrian economy apparently requires some serious mental gymnastics.

What you have today with "crony capitalism" and I take the phrase with a grain of salt, is simply a 'natural' evolution of the free market. Yes, the State can be influenced by big corporations and this is what you see especially in the U.S. Why does this happen? It's inherent to capitalism. If you have acquired a lot of wealth, money and property. If you run a big corporation, you'll simply try to protect your advantage that you have over others. And if that means lobbying the State which is allowed by the market than it's in your self interest to do that.

Why do Austrian economists want a pure free market? It's in their self interest. Why does the 1% try to control and influence the State? It's in their self interest. What's basically the difference between Austrian economics and the 1%?

Maybe it's time to start thinking about what really matters. In my opinion Austrian economists simply seek the freedom to manipulate everything else and there enemy isn't so much the State, it's those capitalists that beat them to the punch. The market isn't holy. Human life is.





July 19, 2012

Zeitgeist vs. Austrians - The Moral Calculation Problem


Last month I touched upon a phenomenon. Strange attractors. Energies diametrically opposed and in search of each other seemingly for a discharge. I'm talking about those people that support the Zeitgeist Movement and a Resource Based Economy and those people that come running over to say we are deeply mistaken (to put it diplomatically), namely "Austrian Economists." The country itself is not so much important, the school of thought is.

Ludwig von Mises, one of the earliest advocates of this economic school and is more or less the spiritual father. In discussions about economics people refer to him and his work. Just like Marx, von Mises' teachings go way back. He was born to a wealthy Jewish family and he earned his doctorate in 1906 at the University of Vienna. Hence Austrian economics. (For a more detailed article see here.)

My blog is not so much about the man, it's about what comes about in discussions. Having a progressive view on economics with a RBE model, Austrians economists immediately counter with "the economic calculation problem" which was forwarded by Ludwig von Mises. What he was saying is that socialistic market economics are doomed to failure because goods can not be properly allocated without a price mechanism. The latter is, according to him, the most efficient way of handling economics.

So that is a point of critique, one of many, coming from the "Austrians" used to curtail any progressive economic viewpoints. While the price mechanism is a way of distributing and allocating goods, it is by far not efficient in the broader scope. It is the most convenient way, not the most efficient. If you have a scarce good there's absolutely no guarantee it will wind up where it is most needed. Scarcity in a supply and demand system means that the price will go up. A scarce good wont go where it is most needed, it goes to the highest bidder.

Hypothetically speaking, if you have a rare medicine. It wont go to brilliant young minds who happen to be sick, it will go to rich old men. The millionaires and billionaires. Those are the people that benefit the most from the price mechanism. In essence the price mechanism is immoral and a reinforcement to capitalism itself. Just look at the world, see how many people are deprived, and you can ask yourself just how well the price mechanism is working.

What we advocates of a Resource Based Economy are saying is that with our current state of technology and computerized systems demand can be calculated and production adjusted accordingly using high levels of automation. These processes are ongoing. Currently companies can track produce all along their assembly line. Postal services know where parcels are throughout the world. Warehouses know where goods are stored. Such computer systems can be, with ease mind you, used to create an abundance of goods for the people.

Can you get your hands on everything you want in a RBE? No, part of the equation is that you ask yourself what is reasonable. It's a strange question in a world where everything is seemingly for sale, I know. On the other hand, this is the key where everyone can have a normal existence (housing, food, water, energy) and can have access to all the necessities of life. The price mechanism never accomplished that. In fact today 1.7 billion people live in absolutely poverty. Clearly a failure of the price mechanism. It doesn't provide for everyone, it never did. That's an axiom you wont find in Austrian Economics.

July 8, 2012

A Critique of Firing Back: Clarifications, Observations and Responses – Part 1

By Ben Mcleish, published June 27, 2012


This is the 2nd post in an ongoing exchange between myself and Graham Wright of Man Against The State. Graham’s first post takes the form of a line-by-line critique of the short presentation “Firing Back” from January 2012. The original video in question is here. All posts in this series are tagged “Graham Wright and Ben McLeish” for ease of calling up the series.
Graham’s post is of extreme length, and indeed fertile ground for an exposition of both his and my position, and as such I find myself in an awkward position of having to divide my response into two sections. I will spend the length of this piece clarifying and defending the ideas I so briefly had to cram into the video to which his critique is geared.  Many of Graham’s misunderstandings are therefore not entirely his fault – and indeed, a central understanding of our movement is that human beings are only as able to be rational, as the quality of the information open to them. With that in mind I offer this refinement of my points to help him, and myself, in coming to terms with the various ideas presented by me, and by him.
I respond here in a fashion meant to address as many points as possible with perhaps a little less more brevity. However, anything that Graham deems of vital importance to address, which I do not, can be added in later posts, or even edited into this piece after the fact. Where I end up doing so, I will note that I have, for sake of clarity and intellectual honesty.
The second part of this missive will be the explanation of the functions and attributes of a Resource Based Economy. As such I warn my readers that if they are looking for a front-to-back characterization of this model, they will find it only in part here, as the elements that form part of the overall train of thought emerge within my rebuttals.
What is “Money”?
Graham begins his post with a fair point – I lack an overall definition of what money means. To resolve the accusation of a perpetrating a fallacy (an indulgence to which, as we shall see in a moment, Graham himself is no stranger) let me attempt an explanation here. It may be that we are already looking at a paragraph that will undergo some additions with the help of Graham. Anything to get us on the same page.
Money is, and has been throughout its relatively short history in the human story, a societal tool to facilitate the differential exchange value of property or human/machine labour (or property whose own value has been enhanced or modified by human or mechanical labour.)
In plain English, money is what the baker and the tailor can use as third-party exchange token because “one suit does not equal one loaf of bread.” Rather than exchange one suit for ten loaves of bread every time, and risk inconvenience or spoiling (an attribute to which we shall return very shortly) a granularity of exchange is enabled, whereby both parties can engage in the buying or selling of goods or services at a ratio of something other than 10-1.
What has been used as money? In addition to the fractional and fiat currency explained in “Firing Back”, and in a longer video from 2010 called The Future of Economics, much else has been used in the past as a medium of exchange. The most famous objects used are the “precious metals” of gold and silver, but also marijuana, chocolate, stones, ornamental belts in China and many others have been used at various times.
Money and Private Property
This overall description of money is a simplistic characterisation, however, and itself requires an additional explanation of how money has been framed in the philosophy of private property. Indeed, it is this framing that has ultimately given rise to two major issues with the monetary system. 1) Money has itself become a form of private property itself, and 2) it has become entirely decoupled from any real-world referent whatsoever, resulting in the overall separation of the operation of ANY definition of a market economy from its real world resource allocations, as well as its effects upon the life economy of the planet, what today’s corporate Newspeak characterises as “externalities.”
In fact the blurring of this line began with John Locke in his 1688 Two Treatises on Government, which sought to define” private property” as needing three characteristics in order to be considered legal and valid;
1) One needed to mix one’s labour with what one has appropriated from nature.
2) “Enough in good and common” should be enough left over for others to do the same with.
3) Whatever is being considered as property should not be left to “spoil.”
Seems reasonable enough, even if you don’t agree with Locke’s case per se. Then however, the work’s reasoning goes off, without warning, on an extreme logical tangent. Locke states that money invalidates all of these criteria now. After all, money-demand of individuals now buys the labour of (much more poor) others, hence labour itself is not a necessity for the justification of property any more. Money sates point 1. As for point 2, this is invalidated in a spurious pseudo-argument that since all members of society have accepted the use of money as a market-cultural logic, thus this “tacit” agreement satisfies the requirement of the plentiful nature of what is left over. As for Locke’s prior assertion that what is made private should not spoil – since money itself does not spoil, this is no longer an issue any more either!
What you’ll notice has just happened is that we have separated all referents to the operation of what Mises would term “human action” from actual real-life and real-world to the aggregation and leveraging of money-demand itself in their place. From this point onwards in history, 1688-now, no longer do the operating forces of any version of monetary policy take into account the basics of what was framed as “private property” in the real world to begin with. And you’ll also note the beginning of a thread which runs through from Locke to the present day, including Graham’s own arguments – namely, that there is an “irreducible complexity” to the market, an “invisible hand” to the order, or in Hayekian terms, “a transcendent order” to the whole game.
This will manifest itself in Graham’s writing in the form of the claim that, for example, millionaires must have rightfully earned their capital to begin with, and so the resulting leveraging of said money, be it for self-serving interest-bearing purposes or monopolistic or cartel-behaviour can be defended on this ground. Unfortunately, the Ur-genetics of this value set does not allow for this hopeful assertion. Money-ownership itself, and its concomitant in-built trumping of the requirement to avoid scarcity (Locke’s second point) or waste (his third) do not matter and are not vouchsafed by the conglomeration of money-demand into ever larger pools, with ever smaller memberships, at the expense of a growing underclass of anybody who happens to be born into a family which does not already control millions or billions, or increasingly, trillions of money tokens.
With which defined, I will move to Graham’s points.
Value
Graham has a problem with my defining money as being bestowed value by its scarcity (of the money supply, in this case) and its perceived shared value. He claims that since “value is subjective” this could be true of anything. Indeed – this is why many different items have been used as money in the past (even fairly spoilable ones.) Yet I am unsure how this argument is going to help him defend a monetary system. He then goes on to say that “fiat money’s value is not an illusion”- claiming that the rationale for this is that he “literally” can spend his fiat money on goods which have a life-use. There are a few problems with this:
1) He is about to admit that fiat money’s very definition is that it is itself useless as a product (same paragraph.)
2) I do establish in this talk that fiat money does not even have the backing of any “commodity money or useful resource – so we can’t use that as a basis either
3) Just because the exchange value is accepted in the culture does not make it “valuable” in the actual sense. The same could be said of the use of Pet Rocks in a monetary system, and it wouldn’t be any more true.
4) Even commodity money has fluctuating and relative values, again depending on people’s perception of its value.
We are already in an infinite regression loop here. Fiat money literally has value – then it does not. Commodity money does have a value (it has real-world uses) – but this fluctuates according to perceptions of its value. Hence it does not have a grounded definition of value implicit in it either, except based on its scarcity of supply or its perceived value – which, I am informed by Graham, are both questionable assertions of mine (of course they are not mine, but are, and consistently have been, claims of economists, including Hayek, in his Essay “A Free Market Monetary System” in which he describes several instances of increasing the value of gold and silver-backed economies by restricting the money supply.)
As a comic side-note; I have more than once been turned away from a checkout desk because I was holding a Scottish Ten Pound Note – and the cashier was unfamiliar with the note, and believed it to be invalid. No amount of arguing about its value got me my milk and eggs. Where’s the “value” in that? We may plead that ignorance of the note excuseth no man – but it does indeed underline the point that without faith in money it would be hard to come to a consensus about its value.
And before we hear claims that this would not be the case with commodity money; what use is gold? Why is it valuable? Indeed it shines, and is malleable. But what uses does it have? This sounds asinine, but the millions of tonnes of electronics wreckage in landfill, containing rare earth minerals and gold, testifies that we must be living in a world which appreciates only short-term, linear use value. And this is the key point of what The Zeitgeist Movement tries to express. We are wasting actual resources in a one-way consumption drive that would not be reversed by any form of monetary reform in the long run. It is a decoupled system of value-appreciation.
Moving onward (although I’m sure Graham and I will return to the above, and I will be happy to) – Graham points out the boom-bust cycle as a product of fractional reserve banking. He is entirely correct. I would add to this, that during busts, especially modern busts, like that of 1929 or 2008, MASSIVE redistribution of wealth aggregates to the top money-possesors. A rather large issue. Additionally, social life-systems are sold off at bargain basement prices (as in the UK’s NHS, or indeed Chile, Argentina, or modern day Greece.) But this is implicit in his paragraph. I dealt more closely with this in The Future of Economics. Graham’s points and mine shouldn’t be controversial – but in a system owned by the central banks, who also co-own, or own outright, the ever fewer and fewer media outlets, the logic that said system serves the central banks is wiped from discourse like a shaken etch-a-sketch.
Interest is Not Created in the Money Supply
Graham suggests I am making a “minor” error, in stating that there is not enough money in the system to pay back the debt + interest. Let’s state this clearly; interest is not created in the money supply. It is added on top as an additional debt, for which there is no parallel money in the money supply, except in that you game it from another party. This is vital to understand. And if I were in error, it would certainly not be “minor.” The more money is leveraged and borrowed, the more impossible it is to pay back. And compound interest, which re-charges interest on money, is “even more impossible” (logical fallacies of that phrase aside.) It is no guarantee that the creditors Graham describes are spending their money back into the system (on what, we are not told); the borrower has paid back more than what was agreed knowingly (in the case or mortgages it’s often more than 100% more than what was borrowed to buy a house; and with wizardly new schemes likeWonga.com we are talking 1000% APR on admittedly very small “micro-loans”.)
Taken in aggregate, the total money supply of a given economy is in fact dwarfed by the debts, meaning a moving wall of defaults and corruption, as the impecunious masses compete and game each other for the rising costs to pay back inflating loans. Last one past the post would be bankrupted, or might end up in prison, where, without a shred of irony, he or she would “pay their debt to society.”
Graham moves on; he relates my point that I mention “with some disdain that a millionaire can earn £50k interest “simply by having money in an account with 5% interest rate”.”  I apparently ignore “that (in a free market system, at least) the millionaire must have previously produced so much to satisfy the needs of his fellow man that he was able to become rich; that the money is not available to the millionaire during the time it is loaned out; that some risk is involved in lending; and most importantly that debtors voluntarily accept the terms of their loan and therefore expect to benefit from the transaction – the loan is for mutual benefit.  Any third-party using violence to prevent this kind of voluntary exchange would clearly be making both worse off by preventing the gain from trade being realised.”
I would love to address this point, however, readers will see that while I am called on my non-definition of money, Graham here requires to define what he means by “free market”, and that wonderful word “voluntarily”. I have a feeling he is defining money in this scenario as 100% backed by a precious resource, or receipt money. However, I will have to wait for his terms before I make any claim on his proposed model. Meanwhile I can make some general points that should apply to every monetary system;
Established Systems vs Disruptive Technologies
Any millionaire, or rich group of individuals, will want to maintain their status as the richest in a society. Otherwise what’s the point of striving to be rich? This means that new disruptive innovations such as mass cheap transit will be fought by the existing and incumbent transport owners, no matter if they have a “state monopoly” or whether it’s a private cartel (or a lone super-moneyed oligarch.) We are immediately hindered from solving problems, if instead a steady, cyclical “treatment” of a problem can be secured by those with the most economic clout. This is a central point to the competitive mentality of a society.
No recourse, no second option
What’s voluntary about having to borrow and become indebted? This is not a rhetorical question, I literally don’t understand nor can follow the logic (our disposition in this movement is that we should celebrate being wrong, for we “become right” in the process. Here I stand ready to be educated by “Mr Wright” – pun intended.)
Contributing Nothing
My point stands in Graham’s quoted text above. A system whereby you can earn money off money with no further contribution to a society belies Graham’s assertion that one must have been useful. Even if said millionaire has done very useful actions – the game is up. Now ever increasing money-aggregate can leverage more and more disproportionate wealth gaps. Those born into the society are, unless they are inheriting this self-referential money gain of course, from the outset holding the bad hand of a stacked deck. A deck you are “voluntarily” allowed to borrow from, returning more cards than you borrowed at the outset. In time, the most money can be made off money itself. Whence the willingness to invest it in something other than that with the greatest possible gain? I fail to see how regulation OR deregulation of a banking system could solve this money-to-more-money cyclical cancer, which renders actual life systems entirely secondary to the guaranteed profit cycle. I look forward to feedback, as ever.
Graham suggests that I have overlooked a point on interest – that the alternative is “no interest.” I am fully aware that interest is used as the incentive in lending. It’s just not relevant to my points that interest itself is unsustainable, stacks the deck, and produces an Ouroboros-like self-serving loop in the financial system. That usury laws exist (particularly within Islamic banking) 0nly underlines the point that whole societies have come to see interest as immoral, to the point of being sinful. Hardly a point against me, there. As for the rest of the paragraph, much is made of money’s “non-availability”, “free market” and many other terms that require me to ask Graham what he means by this.
Social Mobility and Inequality
Here’s where things start to become interesting, and where my opener on Locke really comes into play. Graham has locked onto the work of social scientists like Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett of the equality trust, and manages to dismiss the implications of the causal relationship of inequality with a host of social ills,which also affect the rich with a paragraph here, and a few in a related post, the opening admission of which is telling;
Empirical evidence itself is of no use for understanding the effects of different norms relating to how resources are used – for that we need economics, and economics is a strictly axiomatic-deductive, i.e. non-empirical, science, as explained by Austrian economists such as Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard and Hans Hoppe.”
I can see why The Equality Trust’s data is of no importance to him here, since, like with Hayek, “Scientism” is of little value to economics, which prefers to focus on assumptions about human behaviour instead. We have it in black and white, the non-association of the real world with the human discipline of economics – we are not to trust science in determining the function of society, we must base it on an “invisible hand of the market” (I am quoting Smith – Graham does not.) Apparently this will function better. I am not sure of the evidence for this.
However Graham then frog-leaps back to the hunter-gatherer days, suggesting that certain individuals in this low-tech society “by saving and implementing good new ideas – like creating wheelbarrows, ploughs and pots, [...] enabled them to produce more with less effort. Individuals with wheelbarrows were now wealthier than the “have-nots” who didn’t have them. The consistent opponent of inequality would have to denounce this improvement to the material conditions of man on account that it creates a two-class society and breaks the condition of high equality.”
Ok – what were these individuals saving? We cannot emote the pre-monetary economies and then claim they are “saving” anything. Innovations, which by the way follow a very constant exponential increase (this link is below as a graph) since nature’s “invention” of RNA, then DNA, have never been purely enabled by money, and in fact pre-date money quite considerably. This is key – we use the current technology to create the next generation of technology. This is why we have this doubling. It transcends market-theories (except deliberate techno-primitivism, obviously.)
Here’s a composite graph, with 15 separate lists of technologically notable events which all demonstrate this overarching trend :
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Human ingenuity and material resources, both real-world attributes, are what enable innovation and technology (which includes wheelbarrows.) I would grant Graham the point that money became the tool to divide labour in a society facing real physical scarcity, but this does not grant money the noble title of being the enabler of technology. The technologies we create, to save labour, help us then create the next level of more complex technology. On and on it goes, until we start inventing not only technologies that disrupt the market (and are often suppressed to hold onto the aforementioned vested interests as I spend 40 minutes explaining here), but economics itself.
One cannot dismiss the application of science and technological development as important for the functioning of a society on one side, and yet claim the benefits of said developments as produced by a not yet existing economical system on the other. I WILL admit, once again, that there are forms of government which are often considered to be “anti-capitalistic” which got it completely wrong when trying to “centrally plan” – like Russia’s absurd Gosplan system, for example; but this is of course not at all what we propose. The logic of technological evolution is not aided by money. It was not begun by “saving”.
Additionally, Graham’s argument is internally inconsistent. What’s being valued here, by him, and by me, is the wonders of innovation. Yet the data from the Equality Trust shows that Innovation is higher in countries with less inequality (admittedly measured in patents filed – and while I’m no fan of patents, it does indicate quite well, in this system at least, the inventiveness on a national level –linked here too for clarity in case the image is too small):
We will ignore any moral arguments for caring for our fellow human beings for now – because this argument can be won without it. Hierarchically reinforced societies, with low social mobility, and/or a very large gap between rich and poor is bad for the very technology Graham is attempting to consign to the benefits of a monetary system.
Downsizing of Banks
I must be a very poor communicator indeed, for what I thought was a crystal clear example of how a monetary system (yes, any monetary system) weighs the human and natural world impact at zero, and wealth accumulation as most important is interpreted (and misunderstood) in complete reverse by Graham. First off, the loss of 45,000 jobs at Lloyds is an example of human well-being being placed second to the arbitrary effects of the gambling done by the Big Banks in the prior decades. Losing that many staff (who were either “made redundant” by reorganising workflows using technology, or had already been obsolescent) is a social cost of the bank preserving as much profit for itself as possible. The fact that the stock market goes UP in such cases is a plain example of the psychology of a system that counts its priorities only amongst numbers and has no relation to what John McMurtry has termed “The life-ground” – human individuals (which the Austrians seem otherwise to bang the drum for so incessantly), and the environment (more on that in a moment.) Graham also thinks that the loss of 45,000 jobs equates to a “downsizing of the banking sector” when in fact it is precisely the opposite. It is the GROWTH of the sector at the expense of 45,000 more individuals than were already impacted. Of course if you’re thinking in monetary terms it appears this way about, but the life-effects are in fact the opposite. Note here also a slight double-think. It’s good to replace jobs with automation, or at least with equal to greater output – we’re about to see Graham reject this idea when expressed directly.
Growth
Graham claims that I represent Growth = Good right after suggesting that growth per se is not necessarily good (this, I think, comes from the image on the screen at that point, which is a depiction of the assumption of the present banking and social zeitgeist, and so is evidently my fault for unhelpfully depicting it as if it were what I was asserting.) I’ll state clearly; an increase in technological ability, such as automation, data interpretation, construction efficiencies etc and life-indicators such as happiness, (Gross National Happiness or GNH actually is being advanced as an idea by some), health and life longevity-increases and so on are “good growth”. That is the central goal of the social model that we advocate. Humanity strives to better itself, a general rule I think is fair to pronounce. It is my position that these are hindered in the journey towards this by a competitive basis in society, in which one is restricted, and is in need of taking advantage of others to secure one’s position, meaning the detriment and social harm is “externalised” onto others. In truth, we are not going to survive unless all growth that our global society undergoes is literally sustainable within the biosphere. Anything else is like going into monetary debt – waste it now and live “beyond your means”, but it’ll come back to get you. The irony of course is, that efficient social organisation would mean vastly more for people. But this goes unspoken in our present paradigm, in which “value” is equated to restriction, conspicuous consumption, scarcity logic and so on.
Patents
In abstraction, patents are an expression of the market system. It is the securing of a certain technology, system, or idea, externally restricted (owned) by one or more people in order to maintain a competitive advantage. I do have a little trouble imagining how exactly a monetary system can function without any ownership or trademarked or copyrighted systems or products, if this abstract basis is considered; that is to say, a system which at its core requires ownership and will tend to monopoly or cartel behaviour (since this move ensures more security in the competitive environment.) Add to that the invisible societal cost of the progress we have NOT made because of patented battery technology that has hindered the development of an actually sustainable and functional electric car industry, and you begin to see why this is actually important for life on earth and technological progress, rather than for an abstract “market.” I’ll let Graham inform me of how this can be overcome.
Planned Obsolescence
This is a myth to Graham. His evidence is that the sovereign consumer is the all-powerful chooser of what s/he wishes to purchase, and those products with weak lifespans would be selected against. Almost a sort of market Darwinism.
Except of course that this is one of the very reasons why companies spend so much on advertising to retain and grow customers regardless of the product in question’s qualities. Were it not so, then all advertising would be truthful. On top of that, I’ll let the following iPhone4 breakage graph speak for itself:
Of course longevity is not the ONLY attribute. And physical manufacturing is also not the ONLY way in which obsolescence is made to bear. One of the best examples of this is the non-support of “outdated” software. All older phones (Apple or otherwise) will sooner rather than later be dropped from the software update support, forcing consumers to buy new phones. And since this is a general market force, there is nowhere to really turn to; for all companies require repeated as well as growing business. Companies are beholden to this as much as consumers are; that is, as long as cyclical profit cycles and earnings-profit-growth are the dominant market goals. Graham’s only alternative to this is interventionist “violence” (a word we are treated to again much later in his piece) to “force” companies to adhere to stringent rules to avoid this. In fact, we maintain that a shift from a competitive to a collaborative basis for social operation would vastly decrease the spiralling waste-consumption cycles we have become locked into in a bid to sell shit to each other quicker and more often, leaving 1700 phones an hour to be thrown into landfill just in the UK. Incidentally, The 15 million phones we upgrade every year in the UK contain a total of almost four tonnes of silver and 600kg of gold (what does that do to a Gold Standard I wonder half-seriously) not to mention arsenic and other poisons and heavy metals. Once again we underline the real “violence” here – towards ourselves and the planet.
If we ceased the competitive mentality and understood our actual place in the environment (a fact about which we have no choice – nature is in that sense a dictatorship), we wouldn’t have to “enforce” anything. All we are asking is that we apply real efficiency to our manufacturing, consumptive habits and to the design of items to be more than just throw-away. I’d even settle for a decrease of HALF of these depressing and needless statistics.
And to really put the nail in the coffin here; many people do not have the means to buy the products that really are much closer to the “best” one can manufacture at any given moment (this of course changes as our technology betters itself.) So the option to buy better is not guaranteed to many people. And once again, were such an item to be affordable, it’s only a matter of time before another company shaves off the manufactured efficiency or uses lower quality products and processes to undercut the competitor. Soon we are in a war of “monetary” efficiency, and the actual top-quality product has been reduced to complete non-availability, and duplicated, flawed and makeshift versions of what we consider a “mobile phone” or car or whatever, have flooded our landfills. But don’t worry! Wealth has evidently increased for some, hence we can defend this system of “consumption” (one can hear the medical term for that word more clearly when one considers the health risks at stake.)
The Ghost of an Ad Homiem – Technological Unemployment and Automation
Graham sneaks in an ad hominem against the “discredited” Keynes as if that entirely invalidates the point being made here (I am no explicit fan of his, by the way, and my arguments below actually do not rely on him – he just said it first – , but he didn’t exactly fail at The New Deal to clear up the mess of the prior “free market”, did he?)
Unfortunately Graham then rattles off a load of irrelevant points about Keynesian’s absurd policy towards “creating new work”. None of this is within the scope of what I was speaking about, or am about to speak about.
Stupid solutions to real problems do not make the real problems non-existent.
And while one can lay the blame of the 2008 crash on Keynes, one can always happily add Friedman and Hayek to that too – after all Hayek was pretty influential with Thatcher’s Britain, not to mention the Chicago Boys in the US, and Friedman’s own resulting work in Chile and Argentina (the retelling of which is often avoided by the defenders of the Free for all Market) speaks volumes about how “in the minority” these ideas in fact are, or what results from competitive and deregulated economic models.
Look; Labour-saving devices will ultimately outpace new job creation. Why? Well, as Artificial Intelligence begins to outstrip human intelligence (Ray Kurzweil places this at 2029, sometimes later) not only will we be able to automate almost every kind of endeavour, but the resulting unemployment will not provide the “market” to feed the industries that are now highly automated. Additionally, I should add, entire satellite industries will cease too because they are not “needed”. Amongst these are, purely off the top of my head, Human Resources (your workforce is mostly non-human, Travel Agents, Customer Service desks of almost every kind (a token few people here and there isn’t a replacement), Taxi drivers (only this week Google has pushed the self-driving car publicly since first announcing it, couching it in PR-friendly terms of being a “copilot”), that makes Lorry, bus and train drivers obsolete too. Marketing is increasingly reliant on IT for rapid audience-analysis, and advertising on the web really only picked up with Google (again), whose Adsense programme is an entirely semantically automated ad-placing industry.
The book that actually informs my position on this is The End of Work by economist Jeremy Rifkin. Without too much of a tangent in this direction, Rifkin actually foresees the voluntary industry (the “third sector) as becoming a major function of society as both spending power and employment become weaker in the market. I have no idea if this chimes in with the “Voluntaryism” with which Graham aligns himself. Once again, I will defer to him rather than guess my way through his ideas (something he unfortunately doesn’t hold back from with the solutions I propose – maybe I am expressing them poorly in the video.)
The process of automation is also sped up by the inevitable busts and crashes, as companies shave more and more off costs – and automation is cheaper due to efficiency and non-staffing benefits such as cyclical wages, illness, loss of concentration, limitations of the human frame in speed and exactness, as well as the complete avoidance of any labour laws, of course, including holiday and other labour gaps. And booms do not reverse the automated jobs.)
Perhaps it’s all too fanciful and unthinkable. Well, as one tiny isolated point on this, Foxconn is hiring 500,000 robot workers now to manufacture technology for practically  every major consumer technology player on the globe. That’s up from 10,000. Any “need” to re-employ those workers, who are unskilled at worst, and skilled in only one thing at best, will not come from their requirement to eat. In fact, education itself is a big part of this. Education as China, and as Europe, has designed it, was designed to supply the very factory workers and lower-middle management that we are now replacing with automated labour (this point on education is actually made in a different Rifkin book, The Third Industrial Revolution.) We don’t have an appropriate educational system needed to retrain the displaced workers. And even if we did, we’re whistling past the graveyard on this one. Machine intelligence doubles every 8 months, human intelligence does not. The lines will intersect and cross each other. And at that point we will not be able to maintain a monetary-market system of any meaningful value.
This movement calls for the deliberate automation of as much as we can. We consider it socially irresponsible not to. Not to mention the efficiencies, improvements and possibilities for societal redesign that are natural corollaries to placing technology at the centre of our way of life. Work for work’s sake is asinine. On this point Graham and I agree. As for his undeveloped assertion that if people didn’t have to work for a living, this is not a scientifically or historically sound assumption. Human beings do not need to be coerced into action. Drive, by Daniel Pink, while being overtly a manual for new management approaches, is in fact a brilliant collection of studies ranging as far back as Edward Deci and others, who demonstrated through testing and research (rather than guesswork based on econo-axiomatic assumptions) that creative work is hindered by promised or expected monetary gains, and that money only affects those jobs positively that are mechanical, and can be sped up by human subjects without running the risk of doing the job poorly; in other words the very jobs we can now automate. The end of work, as Rifkin put it, does not rely upon “authorities” such as Keynes or anyone else. It relies on what comprises human ability, and what we can do with our technology. It should be celebrated and promoted. Yet, in a monetary system, it is very much to be feared. How long before your skill-set (and mine) is dwarfed by faster, cheaper, better technologies? How long will you still have the capacity to retrain as we advance ever quicker, doubling our technical powers of computing every year? Not long; and no amount of Brow-Beating by Mises in his “Anti-capitalistic Mentality” that the market has shown up my weaknesses, and that’s in fact what I’m frustrated about, will satisfy the real-world trends.
Mises was a very gifted Capitalistic theorist. However, I’d love to see him confronted with today’s technology and how the trends have played out. Also our use of advertising, a coercive market technique, didn’t exist at all in their form when he was writing. PR was invented after World War II, and traded on our ability to be manipulated into astonishing irrationality. I wonder if he would have revised his theories. A brilliant mind such as his may well have done, given the new information. And brilliant minds are always happy to do so. We’ll never know.
The Ghost of Marx (my final point for now)
Unfortunately Graham misunderstands how technology develops, misattributes me (indirectly) to Marx here, and is confusing invention with overall technological progress. In fact, my point here comes back to Ray Kurzweil once again, and something called The Law of Accelerating returns. It is by no means a howler. The only howler here once again MUST be my failure in the allotted time to delve into this topic clearly enough. My apologies Graham. Here is the contour of what I was trying to explain:
Our ability to create more powerful technologies (both good and ill unfortunately) DO NOT depend on a market system, or the freedom of human beings per se. As I have stated previously, we use the technology we have at our disposal, and the abilities which that technology disposes us towards. The scribes you mention, for example, could not have printed anything with the quality I can in my own room without any skill. No amount of “freeness” on their part would change this. Consider, it took humanity 15 years to sequence the genes of the AIDS virus. In comparison, SARS was sequenced in 31 days, and modern “over the internet counter” sequencing services can now sequence a genome in a single day for multiple people. Is this because humanity is “more free” than before? Well, obviously not. This is all I was trying to express. Our abilities are as good as our technology. And our abilities now are awe-inspiring (if we’re lucky enough to be using the technology in life-preserving ways) and terrifying (if we instead decide to use them to destroy each other.) And it is this trend towards rapid, constantly disruptive technological ability, and all its effects upon employment, longevity, general health and possible uses towards a clean environment that has developed since nature created RNA and then DNA, all the way through the invention of money, and will survive in a post-money economy too.
In my second post I will focus on what a Resource Based Economy is, as well as address his points on energy, and the remaining unaddressed points. This will be a useful lumping together since the last half of his critique hinges only on the briefest of explanations by me, originally intended to be a call to “go and research the larger idea”, if you like. And I can tell you right now that “central planning”, voting in “supermen” and enforcing the system through violence, all hallmarks of a prima facie characterization based on a few minutes of my video and nothing else, will be rapidly be debunked and are, by the very logic of the system that is emerging all by itself, in utter contradiction to what it means to live equitably and sustainably on the planet in an intelligently managed and genuinely harmonious way.
It is not perfect – but perfect doesn’t exist.
Once again, I will give Graham the benefit of the doubt in this, and suggest as I did at the beginning that his misunderstanding are my fault, and not his – while reminding him that the books on Austrian Economics and Libertarian Ideology grow by the day on my shelf; we shall see if the writings of Jacque Fresco, Buckminster Fuller, Ray Kurzweil, Carl Sagan, Wilkinson & Picket or others, grow on his in the meantime, and inform his world-view.
After all, that’s what a rational discussion has to be about.